Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Fossett
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The result of the debate was keep. Eugene van der Pijll 14:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable politician. Only ran for one office, in 2005, garnering 2.3% of the vote in the June primaries. ral315 18:12, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable Soltak 18:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a repository of every fact know to mankind.Gaius Cornelius 15:22, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep strongly. Proposer has moved that Fosett and other candidates in the June 14th primary be removed on the grounds they did not do well. He has an article so to make a complete record of the election. I do not think it fair to decide legitimate candidates for an important office do not merit articles because they did not do well in the campaign. PedanticallySpeaking 14:47, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Strong delete, not only did he not win the election, he didn't even get 3% in the primary. I don't even know if that even qualifies him as a politician. Even the real nominated candidates in Congressional elections are rarely notable if they don't win or do something that sets them apart. There's 435 of them every 2 years, going back to the 18th century, and there's many more failed "candidates" in the primaries. -R. fiend 15:53, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, just to clarify, I know there weren't always 435 going all the way back over 200 years, but there still were loads of them every 2 years throughout the nation's history. -R. fiend 17:44, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Uh, probably merge, or something. I can't think of anything significant he did to garner significant attention. I know he got some minor notice from bloggers who were attracted by his economically-very-conservative-yet-socially-moderate stance, but as far as real media attention I know of very little (only the one Enquirer editorial already cited in the article). I agree with PedanticallySpeaking that it is important to have a complete record of the election, however I think that the current situation with separate articles for all is overkill, and that (s)merging them all into the Ohio Second Congressional District Election, 2005 article is probably not a bad course of action. Imagine if we had an article for every candidate in the California recall election! (Oh wait ... do we? I really don't want to check, because I'm really afraid of what I might find.) In the interests of full disclosure, I should say that I have a personal relationship with the subject of this article. To elaborate on what R. fiend said: I don't think he considers himself to be a "politician" either. He's a teacher and a "lawyer in rehab" for now. Aerion//talk 22:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- KEEP or MERGE. This was one of the rare competitive Congressional elections in recent memory, and one of the few to get national attention. At the very least, the information on each of the candidates up for deletion should be moved onto the main page for the OH-2 election. --JamesB3 16:06, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The primary reason this garnered national attention is because it was a special election. If this occured during a standard election cycle, these men would be even less than historical footnotes. Soltak 16:28, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know about that. There are often up to 3 or 4 special elections every cycle. How much did you hear about the special election in North Carolina last year? That was a district drawn to represent a Democrat and a Democrat won easily. Ohio-2 is a district drawn to represent a Republican and yet, for whatever reason, a Republican almost lost. It's important to note all the people involved so that the reader will get a picture as to why this election was different. I'm not saying they have to have all their own pages, but at the very least they should each get a more expanded mention on the central page for OH-2, and a link to their own websites, if they had a website. I also wanted to mention that out of all the OH-2 candidates up for deletion, I think Peter has the most grounds to keep his own separate page, as he was the only one who seemed to be noted by the local media as having a good future in politics. --JamesB3 16:37, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If I had to choose I'd say that Fossett was probably one of the most irrelevant candidate. Jean Schimdt, a Republican, was chosen by Portman to succeed him. Fosset challenging Portman's pick as a Republican was a sure way to fail quite spectacularly, something he did. 2.3%? Doesn't seem very bright to me. Soltak 17:09, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- He placed 6th out of the field of candidates, and he was specifically praised by the Cinci Enquirer, which may indicate a future run for him. Considering that Schmidt gave the weakest performance of any Republican OH-2 nominee in over 30 years, maybe Fossett wasn't too wrong after all. --JamesB3 18:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Schimdt's relatively poor showing has nothing to do with Fossett. It was directly tied to the backlash against Bush and the Republican party building because of increased numbers of killed soldiers in Iraq, a disturbing number of whom call Ohio home. To assume that anything Fossett said or did impacted Schimdt's campaign or vote count is illogical. If Fossett does run in the future, and manages to get more than a statistically insignificant portion of the vote, he can have an article. Until then, he's just a footnote. Soltak 19:08, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't feel that Schmidt's performance had nothing to do with Fossett, but you were the one who said that he didn't "seem very bright" for running against her. You connected the two and I went along with your train of thought. As for the rest, I think that based on his coming in 6th and the comments of the Enquirer, there is enough there for at least a small article. But as long as some of that information is moved over to the main OH-2 election page if or when Fossett's page is deleted, the deletion won't bother me. --JamesB3 19:24, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- When I said "seem very bright" that was in response to what you characterized as Fossett's "good future in politics." I meant that his future in politics didn't look bright. Now that you mention it, running against a member of your own party endorsed by the seat's previous holder isn't too bright either. Soltak 19:29, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I have no personal opinion on Fossett. What I said was that the Cincinatti Enquirer had praise for him, and that seemed to suggest he may have a good future in politics. They are one of the leading conservative papers in the city, and probably in all of Ohio, so if they see something in him, then they must have had some basis. I don't know why Portman endorsed Schmidt but she was not the choice of a lot of power brokers in that district and she will probably be lucky to survive her next primary. Anyway, I guess this is off topic. --JamesB3 19:47, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Who told you that Rob Portman endorsed Jean Schmidt? That's outright wrong; Portman officially endorsed no candidate in the primary. That reason for claiming non-notability is bogus. There are other ones that are pretty valid. The rest of this discussion belongs elsewhere, which is where I will now take it. Aerion//talk 01:43, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- He placed 6th out of the field of candidates, and he was specifically praised by the Cinci Enquirer, which may indicate a future run for him. Considering that Schmidt gave the weakest performance of any Republican OH-2 nominee in over 30 years, maybe Fossett wasn't too wrong after all. --JamesB3 18:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If I had to choose I'd say that Fossett was probably one of the most irrelevant candidate. Jean Schimdt, a Republican, was chosen by Portman to succeed him. Fosset challenging Portman's pick as a Republican was a sure way to fail quite spectacularly, something he did. 2.3%? Doesn't seem very bright to me. Soltak 17:09, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know about that. There are often up to 3 or 4 special elections every cycle. How much did you hear about the special election in North Carolina last year? That was a district drawn to represent a Democrat and a Democrat won easily. Ohio-2 is a district drawn to represent a Republican and yet, for whatever reason, a Republican almost lost. It's important to note all the people involved so that the reader will get a picture as to why this election was different. I'm not saying they have to have all their own pages, but at the very least they should each get a more expanded mention on the central page for OH-2, and a link to their own websites, if they had a website. I also wanted to mention that out of all the OH-2 candidates up for deletion, I think Peter has the most grounds to keep his own separate page, as he was the only one who seemed to be noted by the local media as having a good future in politics. --JamesB3 16:37, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The primary reason this garnered national attention is because it was a special election. If this occured during a standard election cycle, these men would be even less than historical footnotes. Soltak 16:28, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Wikipedia is a recond of events as much as it is an encyclopedia.Torbjorn 10 Aug, 2005
- Delete WP has pretty well established by now that it is ( WP:NOT ) "not an indiscriminate collection of information" Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:50, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Entirely non-notable. Sdedeo 01:50, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete--candidates this minor are not notable. There's no way he deserves his own article, as opposed to being mentioned in a table listing the results. Meelar (talk) 13:40, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
- keep it is relevant
- Keep. Agree with Pedantically Speaking and JamesB3. At the very least, this information should be merged into the article about the district or the election. It would not bother me at all if Wikipedia had articles about every candidate who ever ran for anything. Wikipedia has the capacity to have millions of articles, and articles about minor politicians do not detract from the encyclopedia. Academic Challenger 05:45, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. As per Meelar. Nabla 21:40:30, 2005-08-18 (UTC)
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